2011 Nissan LEAF - Myth #1 Video
There are many myths surrounding electric vehicles. This is an answer to myth number 1.
so your saying I ...
so your saying I now have to own 2 cars, 1 to? commute and 1 for other stuff and holidays. I only get 4 weeks holiday a year so hope you don't mind if I stick with my oil burner that does the whole lot, commuting and holidays( which takes 23 hours 2 fill ups and 900miles to get too) seriously though it takes 4 hours from north of England to Kent ferry port, in that fuse box it will take 4 days. So hope you don't mind but no thanks
On the contrary, ...
On the contrary, Europeans don't really take their cars on 'vacations'. That sort of el cheapo road-trip is defiantly an American phenomenon. In Europe the fashion is to fly to some trashy resort and? sit by a hotel pool and get drunk on larger.
"..u don't have to ...
"..u don't have to be a genius w... on the way down." - Genius?! In fact the term metaknowlage almost specifically denotes it out from knowledge that would originate from genius.
Also, I care little about market whims. If wind costs 100x but worked how you mistakenly think I'd be 100% behind it. In fact, I am behind wind as part of mix. It's really you that has to make the case for exclusion of nuclear.
Like I said, take a second sceptical? look at wind.
"There is no free ...
"There is no free market" - I actually agree, and I will extend that to almost every product and further more nor is one desirable in many cases frankly. I was not the one who needed to invoke it's majesty to buttress my argument remember.
Gas, Coal, wind ARE heavily subsidised. Wind directly (at least in my windy country), Gas, Coal etc.. again are HEAVILY subsides in that there pollution costs & military defence costs are? ignored.
"There is a heck of ...
"There is a heck of a difference between a little home wind turbine and the real solid nacelle on a 300ft tower"? - Not really. You can't learn about either exclusively all of what is learned is applicable in even the most basic aerodynamic wind turbine system. experience additive to anything one may read.
" In fact this is why wind power can be produced at lower prices than hydro nowadays" - Here we ago again. I bet lightning can be harnessed at pennies a KW, it means little.
There is a heck of ...
There is a heck of a difference between a little home wind turbine and the real solid nacelle on a 300ft tower. Modern wind turbines need far less maintenance than models of 5 years ago. In fact this is why wind power can be produced at? lower prices than hydro nowadays.
Yes, wind has a low capacity factor. This still has a lot to do with proper siteing. There has been huge refinements in this area in the last 5 years.
There is no free ...
There is no free market, especially in the energy market. Nuclear power is extremely heavily subsidized. Natural Gas, Coal and Wind are much cheaper than Nuclear power if it were not for the subsidies. There is so much literature out there to support this, I'm surprised this is new to you.
The economy already showed signs of tanking in Aug 2007, when the bull market ended. ? You don't have to be a genius with large meta knowledge to short the market on the way down.
It's clearly a ...
It's clearly a commuter? car. Who says you have to take it on your cross-country vacation trip? What's vacation? You must be from Europe or something where they have 5-8 week vacations.
" Nuclear power has ...
" Nuclear power has higher operational and maintenance costs compared to wind power" - With the problem that wind requires KW for KW backup from Gas. Where nuclear DOES NOT.
"More? carbon dioxide is emitted in the construction of a nuclear power plant, and in? the enrichment of...." Again gods golden calculator stuff. Has the 'enviro costs' of rare Earths in the magnets been calculated for each KW of wind? Or is it just a rosey CO2 calculation? Hence why I never use such arguments.
"Once a wind ...
"Once a wind turbine is up and running it will have generated as much clean energy after six months as "dirty" What type of turbine is that. The devil is in the details. I'm not? saying your wrong but I reject such end sum calculations. I never use them if they favour what I say and am just as sceptical if they do not.
"So you post an ...
"So you post an article about a turbine that is poorly located used to screw people out of subsidies" - Not really. I'm not aware of one onshore location in the UK that had uninterrupted generation in last two years.
"Common. Generators? built 100" - Those damns are 'industrial'. A hydroelectric station can be made rugged as size and weight are no object and water has a lot of bulk so the 'turn on speed' is low so no need for flimsy low inertia design.
Wind has a MUCH shorter life.
"presumtion of my ...
"presumtion of my not having sufficient? meta knowledge as deeply insulting" - Really? "deeply insulting"? You simply stated something can't work in a free market as a matter of obvious self evident fact.
Nobody has all the metaknowlage at a given time in a free market and that goes for you and me. If I did I'd be richer than Goldman Sachs and I'd have been ready with shorts back in sept 08.
In short I said nothing insulting.
Once a wind turbine ...
Once a wind turbine is up and running it will have generated as much clean energy after six months as "dirty" energy used in its manufacture. It takes about seven years for a nuclear power station to generate more co2-free electricity than was spent building the plant and getting it operational.
Over the lifetime of a wind turbine, it will generate 17-39 times the amount of energy as was used to build it. Nukes produce only about 16 times the energy used to build them.?
Nuclear power has ...
Nuclear power has higher operational and maintenance costs compared to wind power, and nuclear power stations take longer to commission (seven to 10 years) than wind? turbines (three to six months once delivered). More carbon dioxide is emitted in the construction of a nuclear power plant, and in the enrichment of fuel rods, than in the construction of wind towers.
I turned flippant ...
I turned flippant because I took your presumtion of my not having sufficient meta knowledge as deeply insulting. Why discredit yourself by hurling unsubstantiated claims?
So you post an article about a turbine that is poorly located used to screw people out of subsidies ... that's like calling your hand a cookie because you saw it in the cookie jar.
Common. ? Generators built 100 years ago are still running at many hydroelectric dam sites. You are exagerating.
(...cont) Look at ...
(...cont) Look at my Favourites you will find a fair view wind turbine videos. I advocate micropower and hope to use wind one day in conjunction with storage to go 'off grid'.
So I'm pretty familiar with wind. I've just been tempered by reality. It has a place, but only limited in terms of an overall grid. The energy variation and periods of simply no energy even if they occurred only? once every few years mean wind (for now) can only be a top up.
" I don't want to ...
" I don't want to understand your "superior" meta-knowledge" - Why have you suddenly turned flippant? Why discredit yourself?
Sorry 'friend' these are just problems with wind. I have? not really touched on the other problems of farm deadtime. tinyurl(dot)com/7jrz6kb
Or problems inherent to the application i.e - High copper use, costly mechanical difficult mechanical maintenance and short life time. Or the aerospace oil drenched parts needed for modern wide operation turbines
I don't want to ...
I don't want to understand your "superior" meta-knowledge non-argument because you don't have one. It's like telling me that if you drive faster than 30, all the air will be sucked out of your car. It's being done today. There have beend days in Spain where wind has? supported close to 60% of their grid. Nuclear power plants in France could not provide the power because the intake water was too hot.
"everal countries ...
"everal countries have already achieved relatively high levels of wind power penetration, such as 21% of stationary? electricity production in Denmark, 18% in Portugal, 16% in Spain,14% in Ireland and 9%? in Germany in 2010."
I've been over this. That's not what it seems. All those continental European countries export and import from each other lowering the overall percentage. Notice how the small ones can post numbers like 21%!
You could have 100% wind with cables to France.
"I already told you ...
"I already told you that the blades rotate to regulate the blade speeds. No brakes involved" - I've looked at the systems... I even tried to design a cheaper eddy current brake that beat some of the maintenance issues.
"Extra wind velocity does NOT produce much more power. You don't understand wind power production." - It does. Variable? geometry blades are not what you think.
"..amount of waste ...
"..amount of waste heat.. " Not really. In fact I would advocate we kill two birds with one stone and use waste heat to desalinate and distil bio fuels.
"pro-nukes" wow strawman & emotional.
Here you are again, jumping to the? price argument. Energy of the future IS going to cost more. Everything is food/water/space. Why do you do this "I'm just a cheap capitalist" spiel when cornered. First and foremost I advocate conservation & reasonable consumption.
Nonsense. It's? ...
Nonsense. It's? propaganda.
I already told you that the blades rotate to regulate the blade speeds. No brakes involved. Extra wind velocity does NOT produce much more power. You don't understand wind power production.
Several countries have already achieved relatively high levels of wind power penetration, such as 21% of stationary electricity production in Denmark, 18% in Portugal, 16% in Spain,14% in Ireland and 9% in Germany in 2010.
Not propaganda it's ...
Not propaganda it's just Newtonian physics. I'm not saying this to be adversarial. Wind can't work beyond 10% - 20% MAX.
In fact the hard part of that equation is not the blackouts when the wind speed drops? it's actually what to do when it picks up. Constantly breaking wears out components and IF wind was rolled out massively the grid couldn't dump the extra power.
which actually brings us back on topic as some people suggest using grid connected electric vehicles...
The amount of waste ...
The amount of waste heat into the environment is a serious issue that pro-nukes have a hard time burying. It's caused by the inefficiency of your process.
Wind... is plentiful. Nuclear fuel is caviar, foie gras pate and crackers with champagne. Yes, uranium is cheap, but fully processed and ready to "burn" nuclear fuel assemblies are not cheap. The nuclear power plants are not cheap either, are they? When is nuclear power going to be so cheap? that we won't need meters?
"And quit ...
"And quit pretending there are "real heat engine cycles" that escape this fact." -What?!
I'll say again, stop your bad attempts at well poisoning. Glucose to ADP is 'only' 40% efficiently.
Is biological life life any less valid? You could have a petrol otto cycle V8 that is 20% efficient and a Sterling engine that's 60% but runs of caviar & crackers. It's stupid to use? thermal efficiencies to compare heat engines that run on DIFFERENT fuel sources.
Please stop this derailment
Yes, According to ...
Yes, According to the EIA (2010), here in the US wind produces about a quarter as much electricity today as is produced by 104 nuclear power plant. .Nuclear is a dieing technology. Wind? capacity is growing at a rapid pace. Your wind cannot be used in a grid argument is nothing but anti-wind propaganda pushed by the nuclear industry. You know all of this.
"You can ...
"You can theoretically transmute? waste in the lab. No one has done it in real life, near production quantities. It's simply not scalable." It is scalable, nothing is not scalable about the process - However I would not even waste time doing that.
The amount of nuclear waste and it's mobility is quite small. Conventional waste presents a far greater risk than nuclear.
America here has a massive advantage in that it has huge areas of remote land for this purpose.
Nuclear power ...
Nuclear power plants are terribly inefficient in the terms of net electricity produced relative to total energy in. Most nuclear power stations produce more than twice as much waste heat as they do electricity. If you are worth your salt, you know this. And quit pretending there are "real? heat engine cycles" that escape this fact.
There are well ...
There are well known locations where the wind nearly blows all the time. There are wind maps for every state across the entire US. Wind farms are located where there is a regular strong wind. Wind farms are producing significant amounts of electricity. You really can't deny this. And, yes, a power grid is being built with? this. For example, Spain produces 35% of its power from wind.
The first and second laws of thermodynamics apply to all heat engines, all cycles.
